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Really a poor machine.... XDAII

Written from Hong Kong. I've bought a XDAII two weeks before and I believe it should be well combined by O2 and Microsoft. After one week, I really found it as an extremely poor manufactured one. Many defects I found:
1. Always hanged. After a long time I haven't used the phone, then I tried to switch on the screen and I found it hanged... Someone called me but I couldn't know!! It hanged 3 to 5 times per day. What a poor machine is it??
2. Bluetooth handicapped. I've matched the phone with different bluetooth headset such as HBH200, HB65 and Nokia. No one could be perfect matched and the phone always couldn't recognize the headset.
3. Sound quality. Poor... Worst than my old fashioned phone, Nokia 8850, disconnect even in MTR!!
So, I sold it immediately after 2 weeks!! I'll never buy the product from O2 again!! I've sent an email to O2 but no one reply me. I'm very disappointed with the phone and its producer.

I am from Hong Kong , too.
Obviously, you don't know how to optimize your machine.
1. My XDA2 never hang for unknown reason. There are few software conflict with the phone. If I uninstalled those software, the phone works perfectly. My phone is extremely stable right now and no miss call.
I recommand you install scarybear software's WM2003 nofitication utility to improve the performance of your XDA2. It seems XDA2 is affected by this BUG VERY MUCH.
http://www.scarybearsoftware.com/ppc_cn_overview.html
Install both of the software to fix the WM2003 notification bug.
Moreover, DON'T install PIEPlus if you do so. THe current version (1.11) slow down the XDA2 very much.
2. I want to know what is "Perfect Match" . HBH-65 works perfectly with my XDA2. Moreover, I want to know what "recognize" you mean. If you want to say you can't bond/pair the headset, please set the headset in pair mode (please read the manual of the headset) .
3. I strongly believe XDA2 has the best sound quality. All mobile I used beforce is not as good as it (Motrola DB8800 / StarTac / V3688 , Ericsson T28/ T39 / T68, Nokia 8210 / 8850). I used 8850 before, it's sound quality is quite poor.
Maybe it's your device's own problem, I think you should return for another one.
Moreover, I sent emails to myxda.com 2 times, they replied me everytime.

Thanks a lot... I bought it from CSL and I've checked with the experts from it. They also said that there are some bugs regarding the hardware and software. The response with bluetooth headset is poor on average, which we've checked with nos. of new machine from CSL. They've asked O2 for suggestion but they can't help. Never mind, it's just my own personal experience.
I've used iPAQ 5450 before and listened to MP3 music, its sound quality is much better than XDAII. It's true, you could try it.
Has anyone faced the same problems?

franciscwlau said:
I've used iPAQ 5450 before and listened to MP3 music, its sound quality is much better than XDAII. It's true, you could try it.
Has anyone faced the same problems?
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I agree with you, XDA2's sound qaulity (Audio output, not voice quality) is not as good as ipaq. However, did you test it with another earphone?
The original handsfree's qaulity is ..........
(Yes, I know, even with other earphone (with a modified handsfree / 2.5" => 3.5" adaptor) , the qaulity still not real good.
Moreover, the qaulity of the machine doesn't match the price. Too many bugs for a HK$6688 / US $800 machines....

The sad fact is these latest PDA/phones are getting so smart they are more akin to owning a computer than a phone which unlike with the typical blokia means you need more than an ounce of brains to run it.
ho-hum.....

2 weeks isn't long to get to know a smart phone..
The bad
The XDAII is unreliable, crashes frequently, is a brick, battery life is dismal.
THE GOOD.
I can get by with one device on my belt + BT GPS in my hat. I don't need to carry camera, PDA,phone and GPS. Advantages, less change of being mugged. If Mugged I lose just one item.
It will get better..

Advantages, less change of being mugged. If Mugged I lose just one item.
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but one pretty expensive item

well , I also faceded phone hangs every 1 or 2 days and the only way I could do is to do a hard reset(evern softreset can not be done), so after about 10 times hard reset and not install any apps, I send it back to HK for maint. I love XDAII, it is really a powerful PPC and phone, just not stable enough, maybe it is too frag.
I hope it could be fixed, some one said that after a rom upgrade, it become more stable, I believe it is true. now, the only thing I could do is to pray for it.

XDA II not so bad!!
I owned XDA II for 2 weeks. Initially, I tried to install many many software and caused system hang for a few times. However, after I have tried the best-suit software for me and installed one by one. The system didn't hang for a week.
128MB Ram provided a really good perforamce. I felt that it is a little bit faster than HP2210.
MP3 sound is ok with the given headset as the Treible is a bit high. I believed that it could be improved by changing the headset.
There is no need for me to bring a mobile phone, a PDA. Most of the people used to bring mobile phone everyday. However, they would forget to bring the PDA or not bring in weekend. After a period of time, the PDA will be on the desk for a month, then in the drawer for a year....
All-in-one is really good.
I agreed that O2 should tune the machine better before release to make it more user-friendly.
The thing I felt not good is the voice from the earpiece. Sometimes, there were some GI..GI sound during phone call (mostly girl voice). I suspected that there are something like a spring that resonance with the earpiece and caused the GI..GI sound. I would also due to the over-volume on the earpiece.
Does anyone experience the GI....GI sound? I tried to go to the dealer and test another handset, same kind of GI..GI sound was found.
Besides, I can't find anyone TV Remote that could work with XDA II. I will give the software company more time....
sohand

I am from Hong Kong too. I bought it at CSL. The machine was great FOR TWO WEEKS. Everything before that moment was fine until it decided to commit suicide. I really mean it becuase all of a sudden the screen darkened and no response at all no matter what I did, soft or hard reset didn't help. (I didn't install a single software in it). So I took it back to CSL and they were happy to swap it with a new unit. The new unit has been functioning well until now (touch wood). Overall I love this product (except price) except I don't know when my little baby decides to leave me.
Here are some of my comments on the machine:
GOOD:
- Phone reception has been excellent. Even better than many Nokias.
- Most powerful PPC + phone combo. No doubt.
- I did consider SE P900 which looks stylish. But I hate Sony which force the user to use the extremely expensive Memory Stick Duo.
- Lots of 3rd party software, comparing to Symbian OS.
- I like the indepedent volume control of the main and phone vol. and is a huge improvement over my XDA I.
- Also, the brightness can be adjusted for different level, unlike only on/off for XDA I.
- The handwriting recognition is quite good. I don't like the graffti in Palm cause I have to enter each letter which is very slow. I can write a whole sentence in my PPC.
- I don't like the 'hanging' problem. It doesn't crash without reason. (except the 1st unit suddenly died).
- The battery life has improved dramatically compared to XDA I, but still no match for SE P900.
BAD:
- No profile feature.
- Service codes (e.g. **21*phone no.# for call forward in HK) can't be entered in speed dial. It is very useful but I can't understand why my 1/10th priced SE T100 can do it but my XDA II can't!
- There is a slide button in Treo that can switch the phone from loud to silent in one touch. I don't know why the designer can't just copy good things from others.
- MP3 will pause when a phone call comes. In XDA I, the music resumes after the call, but the music will pause after the call for XDA and you need to press a button. It's plain stupid that the XDA II is worse than I.
- Again, one can switch the phone on/off by pressing the 'End Call' button. But in XDA II, you have to click the antenna icon on screen and wait for the dialogue box appears (which takes years to appear).
- It is simply RIDICULOUS that closing a program is not really closing it. To be fair, it is PPC problem not O2. What's the logic for going to the memory screen to close a program?
Any comments?

I do experient GIGI sound during I used my headset.
Do you guys in HK used any Chinese input app such as CE-Star or Monster Chinese?

Hi,
I am actually from Hong Kong also and bought the second batch, English revision ...
1. Obviously the "hang" problem might be related to (1) you've installed s/w that are not compatible with WM2003 (like Chinese system) or because of the WM2003 System Event Bug. As killercheung suggested, there are always workaround and O2 should not be blamed (because it is M$ OS ...)
2. Personally I used HBH-200 and have no intermittent bonding problem as you described. Yes, the CALLER-ID and CALLER LIST won't work as expected (because of the required bluetooth profile does not exist in XDA2), but other than that, it's working as expected. I know Nokia's Bluetooth have numerous problems but it is Nokia's problem, not XDA2.
3. The sound quality is good. My wife said it is TOO LOUD ...
Yes there are a lot of bugs in the OS and ROM itself but I think nothing in PDA field can match XDA2 at this moment. When compare with PDA functions, s/w support etc, even P900 is no match.
franciscwlau said:
Written from Hong Kong. I've bought a XDAII two weeks before and I believe it should be well combined by O2 and Microsoft. After one week, I really found it as an extremely poor manufactured one. Many defects I found:
1. Always hanged. After a long time I haven't used the phone, then I tried to switch on the screen and I found it hanged... Someone called me but I couldn't know!! It hanged 3 to 5 times per day. What a poor machine is it??
2. Bluetooth handicapped. I've matched the phone with different bluetooth headset such as HBH200, HB65 and Nokia. No one could be perfect matched and the phone always couldn't recognize the headset.
3. Sound quality. Poor... Worst than my old fashioned phone, Nokia 8850, disconnect even in MTR!!
So, I sold it immediately after 2 weeks!! I'll never buy the product from O2 again!! I've sent an email to O2 but no one reply me. I'm very disappointed with the phone and its producer.
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Re: XDA II not so bad!!
Hi,
I heard there is NO remote controller s/w supporting XDA2 at this moment, people are saying that it does not have consumer-infrared support ...
BTW, I think the GI GI sound is normal ... although mine don't have.
sohand said:
I owned XDA II for 2 weeks. Initially, I tried to install many many software and caused system hang for a few times. However, after I have tried the best-suit software for me and installed one by one. The system didn't hang for a week.
128MB Ram provided a really good perforamce. I felt that it is a little bit faster than HP2210.
MP3 sound is ok with the given headset as the Treible is a bit high. I believed that it could be improved by changing the headset.
There is no need for me to bring a mobile phone, a PDA. Most of the people used to bring mobile phone everyday. However, they would forget to bring the PDA or not bring in weekend. After a period of time, the PDA will be on the desk for a month, then in the drawer for a year....
All-in-one is really good.
I agreed that O2 should tune the machine better before release to make it more user-friendly.
The thing I felt not good is the voice from the earpiece. Sometimes, there were some GI..GI sound during phone call (mostly girl voice). I suspected that there are something like a spring that resonance with the earpiece and caused the GI..GI sound. I would also due to the over-volume on the earpiece.
Does anyone experience the GI....GI sound? I tried to go to the dealer and test another handset, same kind of GI..GI sound was found.
Besides, I can't find anyone TV Remote that could work with XDA II. I will give the software company more time....
sohand
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I'm from Taiwan, but my XDA II was bought from HK.
You can find that some applications lag or crash when executing on the XDA II. That's because XDA II has too many pre-loaded applications in memory. So, if you want to make your XDA II run faster, just get to the "startup" directory under the "Windows" directory, and delete some AP shortcuts which are unnecessary. Then, you will find that your XDA II runs much faster than ever.

Rudegar said:
Advantages, less change of being mugged. If Mugged I lose just one item.
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but one pretty expensive item
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That is why God invented insurance

XDA 2 reliability
I haven't installed many apps other than tomtom nav 2. The supplied apps are good enough fo me. It only crashes about twice a day, not bad for an MS product, I can live with it. I still use nokia as my main phone.

I am not from HongKong or Taiwan but I can imagine that people who don't have experience with PocketPC's and the XDA I in particular have problems with the general use of the machine.......
I think it is a great device. The only problem is that it is driven by a Microsoft OS which is still in its childhood. And knowing MS it probably will never get out of it..........

BarnOwl said:
I am not from HongKong or Taiwan but I can imagine that people who don't have experience with PocketPC's and the XDA I in particular have problems with the general use of the machine.......
I think it is a great device. The only problem is that it is driven by a Microsoft OS which is still in its childhood. And knowing MS it probably will never get out of it..........
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Hi,
You could tolerate the hanging twice per day!! Sorry, I really can't accept this happen anymore. I do think it's the problem of MS, but O2 should take some responsibilities reagarding it. I've used the iPAQ before, it would not hang as I've installed many many softwares on it. The most important point is you don't know when it would hang. You don't know who called you before... Tragedy... Now, I'm using P900 and it's much much better. The software running is very stable and I could still install many useful softwares on it, except the ms reader. I really recommend to buy the P900 if you desire to have a trustful phone + PDA... Although you have to sacrify some functions.

I really recommend to buy the P900 if you desire to have a trustful phone
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Until you try and buy a 256M or 512M mem stick duo.
P900, nice idea, poorly implemented.

Please help - O2 XDA EXEC

Help me please!! The 'Phone Pad' input method will not work for my xda exec. When selecting it, it stays on keyboard method (or reverts to it if it was on, say, transcriber or block recognizer mothod) Does anyone else have the same problem? My hunch is that it's a bug which will affect some but not all, depending on the ROM version you are running. Could anyone who owns one do a quick test and let me know. I tried both soft and hard reset, no solution with either. Thanks.

Just tried it...wouldn't change to phonepad as well. But after a soft reset, it worked.

its a bug,
workaround , if all else fails soft reset.
change to portrait.
select a different keyboard option not phone one. exit app. goto app and now try - it works 6/10.

I have the same problem...
Don't want to go off on a rant here, but I have pretty strong feelings about a device that gets released with such an obvious bug with such a key piece of functionality. I'm pretty sure it's a memory issue - with a fresh personal install (i.e. with O2 active running - O2's recommended install), the phonepad works until I soft-reset the device ONCE. Then it fails to open and I can't get the work-around to work. I can reproduce this again and again.
Are there others, or is it just me who gets offended when I get charged money for something that is so obviously broken?

@daveb1976, I'm with you on this. I suspect I paid even more as I have a JJ and they are more expensive than the O2 Execs. Having used Nokia, SE and Palm devices I've got a good idea of what one should expect of new devices and I have to say the JJ reminds of the SE P800 - this was an innovative and high profile product three years ago but it was not complete in many areas (but most s/w issues were fixed after about 6 months)

Yup. I appreciate that it's a new device, and I do expect that there will be kinks. But one of 5 input methods simply not working is not a "kink". Besides, unless I'm wrong this is part of WM2005 which is version FIVE of the OS. Oh well, I bought one, so I guess I'm as guilty as the next guy when it comes to putting up with MS's rediculously low quality standards.

The workaround worked once but now I can't get it to work again. I've also noticed another strange bug. Try this....When downloading a couple of new today page themes (from the microsoft pocket pc site) and copying them into my windows folder, I was pleased to see they were available when I went to settings/today menu. However, choose any of them and the things slows up ridiculously, fails to display any contacts at all and won't select task manager (I was going there to try and shut some things down because of the speed problem).
Only a soft reset will bring things back to normal. I agree with the posts by daveb and jah, it's not acceptable to charge top notch prices for new contracts and upgrades (I was the latter incidentally, at a cool £229.99 to upgrade)
Anyway, I'm not prepared to live with it for that price so I'm calling them now. I'm on 8 days since I received it but the 14 day thing is irrelevant if the goods aren't working right? What do you guys think?
I'm looking for a hefty credit to my account to offset the upgrade price or a different handset and my 229.99 back. It's a shame as I love the 3G and wireless capabilities but it may be a case of releasing it a few months too soon, for O2 at least. They have probably been concentrating their efforts on yesterdays takeover!
Anyway, I'll post back with my result.

I got the same problem,
Beside, I can't change today backgronf theme in this Exec.

Any new upgrade for O2 Exec ?
Somebody said that "Phonepad" problem for O2 Exec is a bug and a new version will be out soon and the problem should be gone.
Anybody get the upgrade yet ?

Any new upgrade for O2 Exec ?
Somebody said that "Phonepad" problem for O2 Exec is a bug and a new version will be out soon and the problem should be gone.
Anybody get the upgrade yet ?

Blame to the Prophet/S200!

HI!
I'm so badly dissappointed about my Qtek S200, that I rescued my JAM and sent the S200 back to it's shipping box.
I'm a bit surprised to see at this forum so "little" resentment with such a frustrating machine (at least to me), so I've decided to open a thread to resume the complains.
Just a few salt grains to begin with, please, add yours.....
1- S l o o o o w w w w ..... booting. It takes almost as much time as my fully loaded XP desktop.
2.- And slowwww overall processing. It may be related to some programs "optimized" for Xcale, but even the MS apps are slow.... and buggy.
3.- The killing bug: Notes inside contacts, ARE LIMITED IN SIZE, without notice, MS decides how much of your precious info can be.... discarded.
No info about this one in MS site. I synced with 2 PC´s, so I was able to recover my long notes in most contacts. This should be a NO-GO for all users.
4.- TomTom? Never mind, you will arrive to your destination while TT5 is still loading..... if ever.
5.- Scrolling down for Mr. Zun in a 3000 contact list? Again, don't hold your breath.
6.- BT Sync? Out of luck again, The S200 found most BT laptops "not to provide Active Sync services", where my JAm has no problem at all (Widcomm drives on the laptops......)
This and other messages have been written while my S200 made it last sync with my PC, 45 MINUTES! on a USB.2
7.- Did I mention that phone Caller ID pictures are ridiculous in size? Or that you can not access HISTORY calling via the D-pad as expected?.
Too may glitches for an expensive and promising machine. Better if my wife never find about how much did I "invest" in this thing.....
"Back-to-up-grading" to my old JAM, will miss the integrated WIFI, hello again Sandisk SDIO...!
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

I have a qtek s200 and am quite happy with it, altought I overclocked it and did some reg tweaking, now it runs faster than two different peoples Jam's . I think most of your complaints are from WM5. not necissarily the s200. The OS is much slower (it seems than, wm 2003se)

no problems here with my jamin. syncs up fine bluetooth. dont see the need for the overly long contacts notes. pics caller id is fine size. slow? not at all. i dont find it slow. no slower then my hp2215

Can't comment on BT or long notes as I never need those, but as for speed, compared to some other device I got to use (not all of them phones and some with faster processors) it is definitely ok.
Yes WM5 is slow but if you upgrade to the latest AKU 2 ROM (I used the one on i-mate site as my device originally came as JAMIN) the speed improves. It shortened the boot up sequence as well.
Still my iPaq 1710 with the 200MHz processor runs a bit faster as it is WM2003. MS really blew it this time, but if you want the newer phones that are coming out, you just have to suffer.

My S200 has been great so far... However...
My only complain is:
It does take forever to boot! It even fail to boot altoghether (stalls) and on two occasions, only a HR fixed it!
Speedwise has been ok...
Impressive battery life!

Hello,
While some of the points listed by Looking Glass are acceptable, I still can't see the problem.
I mean: True! It takes ages to boot after a HR... but how many times in a day do you HR your devices ????
I have bought my Jamin one month ago, and after the very few days of experimenting and testing, I have NEVER hard reset it again.
As for the speed: again, it is slower than the Magician I owned before, but not that much!
I found out that divx playback without overclocking is almost impossible... would you really use your PDA for watching movies ? and if you did, would you really be happy with the battery life ? REALLY ?
Let's face it: Jamin is neither a multimedia nor a hi-spec device... is just a PDA with Phone extensions. And it does its job.
Sync with Outlook is perfect;
TomTom performs much better than the Symbian version (installed on my N70) and it takes 6 seconds on my device to start.
But you would never waste 6 seconds before starting your trip, would you?
Performance and Battery duration never walk together. That's the compromise that HTC guys had to deal with.
My 2 cents.

Well, I won't write a long post but I'm satisfied with my Prophet upgraded with a Dopod rom (and modified ext rom with my needs).
I'm used to overlock it at 240 too.
Tomtom work perfectly, and doesn't take so much to load (6 sec too I guess)... it work fine with TCPMP too in background. And only sometime the whole thing lag a bit to return to the music after a phone call (with tomtom still running), maybe it's WA2 and WAD which slow the PPC a bit on that point...
BT sync without any problem, my exchange server is well configured and everything works fine for me.
Well, that's a great phone for me :wink:

I think my M600 is much better than M500. The M500 (magician) was like a beta, which wouldn't do anything the way it should. The M600 (prophet) feels like, wow, a useable product. Yes, it has a few deficiencies, but it is by far better than the M500. No more resets, no need to always use the stylus, faster (with newest Dopod ROM), integrated wifi, working bluetooth activesync etc. etc.

I'm happy too but I must admit I miss the call history being activated by the dpad.

slvrbllt said:
Hello,
While some of the points listed by Looking Glass are acceptable, I still can't see the problem.
I mean: True! It takes ages to boot after a HR... but how many times in a day do you HR your devices ????
I have bought my Jamin one month ago, and after the very few days of experimenting and testing, I have NEVER hard reset it again.
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It takes ages to boot alright, but Hard Reset is much quicker than a simple SOFT RESET... That's where the problem is and Soft Resets are needed quite often. I soft reset at least twice a week or so... I heard from people that soft reset on a daily basis!!! What a nightmare!
On the other hand, I watch divx movies with TCPMP without overclocking and it works just great!... Of course it depends directly on how you encode your movies in the first place.
Best regards,
Rayan

tarponfly said:
I have a qtek s200 and am quite happy with it, altought I overclocked it and did some reg tweaking, now it runs faster than two different peoples Jam's . I think most of your complaints are from WM5. not necissarily the s200. The OS is much slower (it seems than, wm 2003se)
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I'm glad to see we all have points of view about the prophet.
As for one: Overclocking? Tweaking? I mean, W95 was clearly better than Win 3.o, W98 was over W95, and 2000 over all of them, then W XP sat the new standar.... but I'd never seen so much missing and downgraded when moving to a new OS/Hardware!
I overclocked my S200, some improuvment, but not really "shiny".
It may be about WM5, I partly agree, but there are OMAP machines running at higher clock setting out of the box. Why not use them?
And I also admit that moving from slower machines (HP namely) result in a much better perception of the Prophet performance. I used (actually I'm using again now) an i-mate JAM, and my S200 compares so badly overall....
:roll:

pen25 said:
no problems here with my jamin. syncs up fine bluetooth. dont see the need for the overly long contacts notes. pics caller id is fine size. slow? not at all. i dont find it slow. no slower then my hp2215
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No pun intended, but, You really manage to "identify" your caller by such a small "icon" picture? I really envy your eyesight!
I don't have a 2215 to compare, so you are indeed right about it, but the Prophet is supossed to be the current "top of the line" in its class (I have used a Universal too, they don't compare.....) and it don't fit my expectations. Maybe this is the point.... I expected too much...
Un paso atrás... ¡Ni para tomar impulso!. Fidel Castro.
A backwards step..., Not even to take impulse!
No politics here, just my feeling about some comments on "suffering" to get the most of a new machine. So, so....
:wink:

Rayan said:
slvrbllt said:
Hello,
While some of the points listed by Looking Glass are acceptable, I still can't see the problem.
I mean: True! It takes ages to boot after a HR... but how many times in a day do you HR your devices ????
I have bought my Jamin one month ago, and after the very few days of experimenting and testing, I have NEVER hard reset it again.
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It takes ages to boot alright, but Hard Reset is much quicker than a simple SOFT RESET... That's where the problem is and Soft Resets are needed quite often. I soft reset at least twice a week or so... I heard from people that soft reset on a daily basis!!! What a nightmare!
On the other hand, I watch divx movies with TCPMP without overclocking and it works just great!... Of course it depends directly on how you encode your movies in the first place.
Best regards,
Rayan
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I mean ages... just for a SR! and I have to do it several times a day.
I'm getting some cue from your post. Maybe the Spanish ROM is to blame somehow?
And for Rayan, my complain is not about A SINGLE PROBLEM, I can live with some of them, I SIMPLY can NOT stand with ALL OF THEM simultaneously. Maybe WM SP2 will fix it, maybe HTC will set higher clock speeds, maybe SW writers will code specifically for OMAP PDA's...maybe.
But in the meantime I will gladly set my "overclocked-twisted-S200" apart and be productive with my JAM.
Believe me, I love tweaking, I'm the biggest fan of Buzz Lightyear, but reliability is something I can not compromise.
:?

slvrbllt said:
Hello,
While some of the points listed by Looking Glass are acceptable, I still can't see the problem.
I mean: True! It takes ages to boot after a HR... but how many times in a day do you HR your devices ????
I have bought my Jamin one month ago, and after the very few days of experimenting and testing, I have NEVER hard reset it again.
As for the speed: again, it is slower than the Magician I owned before, but not that much!
I found out that divx playback without overclocking is almost impossible... would you really use your PDA for watching movies ? and if you did, would you really be happy with the battery life ? REALLY ?
Let's face it: Jamin is neither a multimedia nor a hi-spec device... is just a PDA with Phone extensions. And it does its job.
Sync with Outlook is perfect;
TomTom performs much better than the Symbian version (installed on my N70) and it takes 6 seconds on my device to start.
But you would never waste 6 seconds before starting your trip, would you?
Performance and Battery duration never walk together. That's the compromise that HTC guys had to deal with.
My 2 cents.
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About TT5 I'm talking MINUTES.... not seconds....unfortunatelly.
My point is maybe related to my personal use. lots of contacts, heavy phone/contacts/GPS use, no multimedia, no resident APPs....
The JAM fitted the spec quite well, while still not being perfect. My point is about the many open ends MS/HTC left in this machine.
I've used PDA's and phone/PDA combos for years, and never an "upgrade" turned me so angry.
Thanks for your 2 cents :wink:

End of the issue
If anyone has followed this thread, this is just to comment that I finally tracked down the problems: an inmature combination of ROM and chipset versions.
Spanish vendors come to market with a poor Qtek 2.09 ROM version on the G3 chipset. That leads to such a poor implementation that all the S200 speed problems are highlighted.
I passed my machine on to a "less demanding" friend, loosing some "hundred" bucks on the deal, just to get a month later another S200 from my phone company.
That time I got a G4 and 2.15 IPL/SPL ROM combo, that really makes the S200 a NEW machine to my eyes.
Really late, since the p3300 and the p3600 are already out there.

HTC Shift Unboxing

Getting closer...
http://revver.com/video/711405/htc-shift-unboxing/

I Love It !!!
Hey .. thank you for the links !!
I totally love this UMPC.. this is the best device ever released yet ... I have to wait about 6months to have it .. but I want it as soon as possible.
It will be so nice using a big WinMobile screen (better than the small 320x240 on a 2"8 screen). Vista is a so nice OS... I will have my 2 favourites OS on the same device.. I can't believe it !
HTC has put everything needed in the device. The review is nice.. but they should have introduced origami 2.0 ... not just showing the start animation.
If someone want to offer one ... I take it !

Unless they have sorted out the 2 hour battery life, it will remain a gimmick and no buyer will be satisfied with the purchase

I was really into the shift until I spent about three hours with a Fujitsu Lifebook P1620 today. 9" touch-screen convertible, 1.2ghz dual core, 100mb hard drive, vista or tablet xp, PC card slot (hello cheap wireless 3g card), VGA out, fingerprint reader, 3 USB ports, bluetooth, wlan, touchscreen works great for writing/browsing (it is passive digitizer though), you can touch type on it with some practice, and over 5 hour battery life My 2008 budget comes in next week and I am absolutely buying one.
Making calls with shift seems like it will require a hack, no simple soft-reset for the crippled wm6, embarrasing battery life, 5 minute cold-boot time for vista, etc. Why pay nearly $2k for a gimmicky device that in the end doesn't really do what a phone or a laptop can do. We all have a phone anyway...who wants to carry that monster to the pub just so you don't miss a phone call??

Well. I got mine 24 hours ago and I like it. Keyboard is nice. I cand write using my 10 fingers after some training. Battery life isnt bad and if I need more live I ve a power bank that gives me 7 hours more. wifi, hsdpa and bt works very well. It moves Vista nicely. I ve installed my development tools (Visual Studio 2008, eclipse and jboss) and work nice. VGA output letme use hi res at home with a lcd screen. I wasnt very convinced when I bought it but by now I am very satisfied

mlalahoi said:
I was really into the shift until I spent about three hours with a Fujitsu Lifebook P1620 today. 9" touch-screen convertible, 1.2ghz dual core, 100mb hard drive, vista or tablet xp, PC card slot (hello cheap wireless 3g card), VGA out, fingerprint reader, 3 USB ports, bluetooth, wlan, touchscreen works great for writing/browsing (it is passive digitizer though), you can touch type on it with some practice, and over 5 hour battery life My 2008 budget comes in next week and I am absolutely buying one.
Making calls with shift seems like it will require a hack, no simple soft-reset for the crippled wm6, embarrasing battery life, 5 minute cold-boot time for vista, etc. Why pay nearly $2k for a gimmicky device that in the end doesn't really do what a phone or a laptop can do. We all have a phone anyway...who wants to carry that monster to the pub just so you don't miss a phone call??
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well .. you are wrong on many things ! ouch ....
1°) making calls is still not sure that it will require a hack ... you can see french sites telling that it is a COMPLETE PHONE... so I think that it could depends on the country you buy it.... we'll see !
2°) for WM6 there are ability to soft-reset it .... because it will be A REAL WM6.. even if they talk about "Snap-Vue" it IS WM6.... what they put upon will never be enough to change it in another OS... it is running WM6 !
3°) embrassaing battery life ? if you are using WinMobile .. you will have about 1 week of battery life.... it's enough ! Vista is so greedy that you should never think about using it without a power supply.
4°) 5 minutes cold-boot time ... oh my god ! .. you are completely wrong !!!!!! it is faster than that .. it is about a minute ... not more than 2 minutes ! And with Vista SP1 it is the same time for hibernate boot ! (hibernate was not good with preview Shifts... because of Vista.. but Vista SP1 is a little better). On the video : vista starts at 6:36 and is running at 7:40 ... 1:04 for resuming from hibernate !
5°) The device is more about 1200$ .. than 2k$ ..
If you don't know anything about the real shift spec.... I understand why unuseful 9" laptop seems interesting for you !

danielherrero said:
Well. I got mine 24 hours ago and I like it. Keyboard is nice. I cand write using my 10 fingers after some training. Battery life isnt bad and if I need more live I ve a power bank that gives me 7 hours more. wifi, hsdpa and bt works very well. It moves Vista nicely. I ve installed my development tools (Visual Studio 2008, eclipse and jboss) and work nice. VGA output letme use hi res at home with a lcd screen. I wasnt very convinced when I bought it but by now I am very satisfied
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nice !! have you tried installing winmobile application sending a cab by mail ? just to be sure that we will be able to install everything we need .
is there any way to shutdown both (winmobile and vista) ? Something about voice calls?

My main concern is if I'll be able to run full version of WM and access files on hard drive or SD card and work with them. If yes, I'm in! Anyone has been able to hack it so far?

No luck sending the cab because you can save it to disk (outlook doesnt want to execute it because It says is unsafe). But after saving it I dont know how to execute it....
I havent tried phone calls. well, I dont know how. Vista can be turned off, of course. But you can turn off windows mobile. Even I dont know how to reset it (except remove one second the battery). But I am sure we will solve all this issues.
Dani

once saved to disk, press CTRL while tap and holding on the clock. Select run
type FEXPLORE or FEXPLORER (don't remember)
Launch your cab.

thaihugo said:
once saved to disk, press CTRL while tap and holding on the clock. Select run
type FEXPLORE or FEXPLORER (don't remember)
Launch your cab.
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CTRL while tap and holding on the clock ?? Seems to be a pretty good hack !
danielherrero .. plz confirm that it works

1. YOu prove my point. phone functions are NOT widely available, if at all. I am glad you red something on a frech website, but I have actually held and used one of these and it did NOT make phone calls out of the box. Yeah, we can hack to do that if bought in a non-voice approved area, and get no support/possibly void the warranty. nice.
2. show me a soft reset hole, cause the one I played with didn't have one. THere is another thread in this forum from a guy who has to take the battery out of the shift he actually has in his hands to soft-reset. Your syllogistic argument is silly.
3. battery life of one week when using the phone...which I already carry one of, if you want to use the pc part of it the battery life is miserable so what's the point of having it there when it must be tethered to a wall wort at all times.
4. Watch the unboxing vids, this thing takes ages to cold boot vista, which i what i was talking about, not the hibernate resume you are quoting. also, the one I used for several hours took about 4.5 minutes to load vista. Desktop PC's fully specced have trouble loading vista in one minute my freind. IF that has been solved on newer releases I would like to hear someone who is holding one right now say that. Thanks for the tip to "never use vista without a power supply" now please continue to prove my point about the pc function of this thing being a joke by telling me how the shift can't be downgraded to xp....
5. The cheapest I have ever seen advertised for the shift is on the edge of $1700 US. Where are you seeing them for $1200?? I have seen them for 1200 EUROS, which is about $1680 US. Note that euros and us dollars are worth a different amount.
I'm not trying to bash the shift. Nor do I want some kind of flame war with you. I am reporting my experiences on actually having used both of these devices. I am sure that for some people the shift fills the little niche that they need. My point was that for me, and I would venture that for a lot of business users, the shift has a lot of shortcomings and is not the right device.
Your post makes me pretty sure that you have never ever actually used either of these devices, so you shouldn't tell people that they don't know anything about something you are even less informed about. If someone who owns one of these and is using it now wants take issues with my statements, I am very ready to listen. Perhaps the models they have are better than the one I used, if so I'd love to hear about it...from people who have one in thier hands!

koala996 said:
CTRL while tap and holding on the clock ?? Seems to be a pretty good hack !
danielherrero .. plz confirm that it works
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No luck....

It was working on a previous ROM. I am talking about the CTRL key from the physical keyboard. Try from the mail app for example. If it's not the clock, it's the battery icon.

As a side note, did you get the unit as a reviewer, or did you actually bought it from somewhere where anybody else can?

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1. YOu prove my point. phone functions are NOT widely available, if at all. I am glad you red something on a frech website, but I have actually held and used one of these and it did NOT make phone calls out of the box. Yeah, we can hack to do that if bought in a non-voice approved area, and get no support/possibly void the warranty. nice.
2. show me a soft reset hole, cause the one I played with didn't have one. THere is another thread in this forum from a guy who has to take the battery out of the shift he actually has in his hands to soft-reset. Your syllogistic argument is silly.
3. battery life of one week when using the phone...which I already carry one of, if you want to use the pc part of it the battery life is miserable so what's the point of having it there when it must be tethered to a wall wort at all times.
4. Watch the unboxing vids, this thing takes ages to cold boot vista, which i what i was talking about, not the hibernate resume you are quoting. also, the one I used for several hours took about 4.5 minutes to load vista. Desktop PC's fully specced have trouble loading vista in one minute my freind. IF that has been solved on newer releases I would like to hear someone who is holding one right now say that. Thanks for the tip to "never use vista without a power supply" now please continue to prove my point about the pc function of this thing being a joke by telling me how the shift can't be downgraded to xp....
5. The cheapest I have ever seen advertised for the shift is on the edge of $1700 US. Where are you seeing them for $1200?? I have seen them for 1200 EUROS, which is about $1680 US. Note that euros and us dollars are worth a different amount.
I'm not trying to bash the shift. Nor do I want some kind of flame war with you. I am reporting my experiences on actually having used both of these devices. I am sure that for some people the shift fills the little niche that they need. My point was that for me, and I would venture that for a lot of business users, the shift has a lot of shortcomings and is not the right device.
Your post makes me pretty sure that you have never ever actually used either of these devices, so you shouldn't tell people that they don't know anything about something you are even less informed about. If someone who owns one of these and is using it now wants take issues with my statements, I am very ready to listen. Perhaps the models they have are better than the one I used, if so I'd love to hear about it...from people who have one in thier hands!
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I have used the shift for about half an hour on a demo day (Microsoft Unified Communication launch). But I have not bought it yet.
1. yeah .. but I hope for a hack (without a warranty void !)
2. it seems that there are no soft-reset hole..but I'm sure that we will be able to soft reset with a program without having to have full WM6
3. battery life on my laptop is half an hour.. so the shift is more than what I'm used to ... maybe this is why I'm not worried about. and if you have read my scenario (few threads before) you would see that the Shift is not on a battery life that much in Vista mode.
4. I have watch the unboxed videos and read many reviews about the shift.. and what they said was always "resuming from hibernate take longer time than a cold boot" and that a cold boot take about a minute and a half to 2 minutes but these times were from the "test prototype" of the shift. And if resuming from hibernate take only a minute... you just have to use it and you should not care about the cold boot time ! (I'm on vista on my desktop and always use hibernation mode ... and it comes back in less than 30 seconds .. and from sleep in less than 2 seconds... but it's a faster computer than the shift).
5. I have read a lot about $1200 announced before the official released ... but maybe the price is a higher .. the iphone is 1000€ and I think that it is less than $1000 ... so don't believe that the price in € is significant to the price in $ .. it used to be the same price ($1000 --> 1000€ .. even if $1000 is only 680€) but I can't say if there is shops where the shift will be under $1400.
I don't want to enter in a war with you too .. I'm just sharing my opinion that's all. I have read a lot on the shift for more than a year (like so many people) and I'm not a current owner of a shift.

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.. I hope we will find out to do it ... I'm sure there is a way ! because they need to remove snapvue for the support !

I think the clue is to know how the updates will be applied. Probably It will be done using vista side. So I think there will be a way from this side to access flash chip WM6. This weekend I couldnt research about it but tomorrow I will do it because I want to install bandswitch to use gprs with direct push instead of umts to increase battery live. (althought I ve to say battery live is good so far..
Dani
ps. I bought it on shopping center in Madrid, Spain. They have it since last monday.

There is a way from vista, because the manual state you can install a certificate for the WM side from the vista control pannel. I think this is just a com port to redirect on the WM part for getting AS, but if the trick I gave you doesn't work, it's just a question of time before getting access to the OS.
Maybe you could try on you PDA to check what I'm talking about. Presse the center of your D pad instead of CTRL in this case.

danielherrero said:
I think the clue is to know how the updates will be applied. Probably It will be done using vista side. So I think there will be a way from this side to access flash chip WM6. This weekend I couldnt research about it but tomorrow I will do it because I want to install bandswitch to use gprs with direct push instead of umts to increase battery live. (althought I ve to say battery live is good so far..
Dani
ps. I bought it on shopping center in Madrid, Spain. They have it since last monday.
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Hi danielherrero, do you have any 16 GB SDHC Memeory card? if so can you let us know whether it works fine with the Shift, thanks !

I'm starting to hate the HD

it cost me €650
its buggy, hangs sometimes, I keep having to reset
keyboards sometimes dont popup
wifi is very weak (they used a cheap Texas Instrument chip for wifi that under lab tests runs at about 2/3 the performance of the Marvel chip in the iPhone). Again I remind you that I paid €650 for this thing.
ive owned the phone 6 days and already had to do 4 hard resets
cheap crappy speaker
camera lag 3 seconds to take photo
have to use virtal button to take photo
gps lags
cant assign / customise soft buttons (without installing third party cabs)
to do any customization on the dam thing, you have to install 3rd party cabs, ends up with a phone cluttered with all sorts of stuff most of which was not originally written for the HD. Phone gets unstable and starts hanging even more than usual.
touch screen is often unresponsive, the majority of dialogs put the ok button in the top right hand corner where it is least responsive. I often have to tap the buton 5-6 times to get it to respond
have to install everything on storage card as there is very limited storage built in
TouchFlo 3d has lots of bugs (have a read of the forum)
have to use headphones to get radio to work (be nice not to have to, id like to be able to demo the radio and use it in high strength signal areas w/o having to carry headphones around).
radio is noisy with poor reception
cant record radio
browser stops working at the drop of a hat. i.e. you manage to get a wifi connection, you use the web, leave phone for a minute, come back, hit power button, wifi wakes up, browser more often then not will no longer work (cannot find proxy server, no network, dns not available). I have to resolve with another soft reset
browser is a pain to use, it does not zoom intelligently, the amount of time I spend trying to line up after a zoom, then hitting links by mistake or trying to hit links and wondering wtf they do nothing.
the wifi on my unit is poor. i have written to htc and expansys and as of yet (a day and a half later) i have had no reply from either. sickening and worrying!
im in the middle of another hard reset right now after the phone screwed up yet again
doesnt lock properly (when a call comes in)
you have to install .Net 3.5. For god sakes its late 2008, could they not have shipped the rom with it already on there. not only that but you really need to install it onto device storage rather than card storage for performance so it takes up valuable space (of which there is not much to begin with)
battery lasts a day at best with light use. if you use wifi and browse for an hour on the train you can reduce that to 3 or 4 hours. pretty lousy
lousy (and I mean LOUSY) video playback. You need a degree in computing to go and encode videos in specific ways to get them to play reasonably. Even the demo video that comes with the phone plays poorly.
hard to scroll through lists on screen without invoking the items on the list. i.e. scrolling the programs list I always end up running unwanted programs
when you send a text message, the phone does nothing, no "sending message" status, no confirmation that message sent. You have to fix with a tweak. again to fix, you have to install schaps config tool that clearly is not written for the HD. Its brilliant and I am not having a go at all but its anothe rlarge cab u have to install just to do the most basic things. jesus a "sending text" status is the most basic requiremt surely to god!!!
very hard to figure out how to disable 3g (cud be real expensive unless u have ur wits about u)
gps is very slow initially and weaker than on normal gps devices. I have had it unable to detect gps signals when my mate beside was using another device and getting signal - just like the wifi.
not possible to edit/customize TouchFlo 3D. You can't put an shortcut to a program on its home page for eg. You have to scroll along the awkward scroll bar to get to programs.
TF3D completely takes over the Today screen so customizing the Today screen is absolutely pointless unless you remove TF3D from it.
screen protector is crap and difficult to install.
finally for now . . .
it cost me €650
I know a lot of you are gonna hate me after this post. I dont blame you. I am dissing your beloved new toy, the toy that you paid as much as I did for, the toy that you dearly wanna love cos it cost so much. the toy that you dont wanna hear a bad word said about cos it cost so much.
I'm starting to hate this dam thing.

think you have a defective HD
gt112 said:
it cost me €650
its buggy, hangs sometimes, I keep having to reset
keyboards sometimes dont popup
wifi is very weak (they used a cheap Texas Instrument chip for wifi that under lab tests runs at about 2/3 the performance of the Marvel chip in the iPhone). Again I remind you that I paid €650 for this thing.
ive owned the phone 6 days and already had to do 4 hard resets
cheap crappy speaker
camera lag 3 seconds to take photo
have to use virtal button to take photo
gps lags
cant assign / customise soft buttons (without installing third party cabs)
to do any customization on the dam thing, you have to install 3rd party cabs, ends up with a phone cluttered with all sorts of stuff most of which was not originally written for the HD. Phone gets unstable and starts hanging even more than usual.
touch screen is often unresponsive, the majority of dialogs put the ok button in the top right hand corner where it is least responsive. I often have to tap the buton 5-6 times to get it to respond
have to install everything on storage card as there is very limited storage built in
TouchFlo 3d has lots of bugs (have a read of the forum)
have to use headphones to get radio to work (be nice not to have to, id like to be able to demo the radio and use it in high strength signal areas w/o having to carry headphones around).
radio is noisy with poor reception
cant record radio
browser stops working at the drop of a hat. i.e. you manage to get a wifi connection, you use the web, leave phone for a minute, come back, hit power button, wifi wakes up, browser more often then not will no longer work (cannot find proxy server, no network, dns not available). I have to resolve with another soft reset
browser is a pain to use, it does not zoom intelligently, the amount of time I spend trying to line up after a zoom, then hittig links by mistake or trying to hit links and wondering wtf they do nothing.
the wifi on my unit is poor. i have written to htc and expansys and as of yet (a day and a half later) i have had no reply from either. sickening and worrying!
im in the middle of another hard reset right now after the phone screwed up yet again
doesnt lock properly (when a call comes in)
you have to install .Net 3.5. For god sakes its late 2008, could they not have shipped the rom with it already on there. not only that but you really need to install it onto the device for performance so it takes up valuable space (of which there is not much to begin with)
battery lasts a day at best with light use. if you use wifi and browse for an hour on the train you can reduce that to 3 or 4 hours. pretty lousy
lousy (and I mean LOUSY) video playback. You need a degree in computing to go and decode videos in specific ways to get them to play reasonably. Even the demo video that comes with the phone plays poorly.
hard to scroll through lists on screen without invoking the items on the list. i.e. scrolling the programs list I always end up running unwanted programs
when you send a text message, the phone does nothing, no "sending message" status, no confirmation that message sent. You have to fix with a tweak. again to fix, you have to install schaps config tool that clearly is not written for the HD. Its brilliant and I am not having a go at all but its anothe rlarge cab u have to install just to do the most basic things. jesus a "sending text" status is the most basic requiremt surely to god!!!
very hard to figure out how to disable 3g (cud be real expensive unless u have ur wits about u)
gps is very slow initially and weaker than on normal gps devices. I have had it unable to detect gps signals when my mate beside was using another device and getting signal - just like the wifi.
not possible to edit/customize TouchFlo 3D. You cant put an shortcut to a program on its home page for eg. YOu have to scroll along the awkward scroll bar to get to programs.
TF3D it completely take sover the Today screen so customizing the Today screen is absolutely pointlss unless you remove TF3D from it.
screen protector is crap and difficult to install.
finally for now . . .
it cost me €650
I know a lot of you are gonna hate me after this post. I dont blame you. I am dissing your beloved new toy, the toy that you paid as much as I did for, the toy that you dearly wanna love cos it cost so much. the toy that you dont wanna hear a bad word said about cos it cost so much.
I'm starting to hate this dam thing.
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Your HD is defective

wfhowell said:
Your HD is defective
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or perhaps its just not fit for purpose. if it is defective, then wouldn't it be nice of htc or expansys to respond to my email ?

defective
gt112 said:
or perhaps its just not fit for purpose. if it is defective, then wouldn't it be nice of htc or expansys to respond to my email ?
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I wouldnt email. I would call them if its defective...Or talk to the place where you got it for a refund.

I dont think its defective, I think it is a poor product

His soounds about the same as mine. It isn't defective that's just how they are.

Looking at your post history I can only see *****ing and moaning during the past few days.
You are just trolling now.

Is this your first WM device...
I've been using WM pda for 10 years now...the first 2-3 years..some devices are like you describe..but not nowadays..
It's either you have defective unit or you just dont know how to optimize it..
It is not like Iphone that works perfectly out of the box..

I will say no more. However the browsing and freeze ups and difficulties in using it are what I have experienced. So far my wifi works though. Most of the things I was *****ing about is what the OP is talking about so... go figure.

MAK
I'm *****ing and moaning as you put it because I have spent a lot of money on a poor product. Thus this post.
I am sorry if you think it a troll. If people want this thread removed then please feel free.

I thought he was saying I am a troll LOL Gt mine has many of the same problems don't worry about it.

I think there is a bug somewhere which hangs the device frequently. It need to be solved. If you're patient and wait, I'm sure the XDA community, with all the talents around, will solve it one day. Of course, we should also report to HTC (which someone already has, and provided the links here to them) and get a firmware update from them.
Hopefully, you also look at all the good things: your wide choice of GPS software, the fantastic office applications, the wide choice of software keybaord, etc.
If you're new to the Winmo world, I understand it could be difficult in the begining.
In you want to get away from the winmo world, your choice is iPhone, Nokia, Blackberry and the like. You need to know what your requirements are. Do not jump from one imperfect solution to another imperfect solution. Sit back to define your requirement before making your next purchase. Otherwise you will have many many more €650 down the drain.

Do you have an Hd now Steve? Also in another thread I asked if Hd will improve the software, now that it is out only devs here will fix it? That's sort of sad. I don't mean anything against the devs here I am sure you guys do a great job.

thanks to everyone who replied, god I really have started something here havn't I.
I know, be patient, its not all bad, etc etc.
But hey, look at the WiFi issue for example.
This doesn't mean I have a defective phone, It means I have a poor product.
Theres a cheap crappy chip built into the phone. That cannot be fixed with a hack or software update or a replacement

Some of your complaints such as freezing and lagginess I have also experienced. The zoom not centering and links not being clickable are certainly valid concerns. My HD behaves exactly the same. I can understand that maybe you have a bad chip as well. In another thread here some people couldn'y understand how frustrating that can be.

Great Post Eagle
eaglesteve said:
I think there is a bug somewhere which hangs the device frequently. It need to be solved. If you're patient and wait, I'm sure the XDA community, with all the talents around, will solve it one day. Of course, we should also report to HTC (which someone already has, and provided the links here to them) and get a firmware update from them.
Hopefully, you also look at all the good things: your wide choice of GPS software, the fantastic office applications, the wide choice of software keybaord, etc.
If you're new to the Winmo world, I understand it could be difficult in the begining.
In you want to get away from the winmo world, your choice is iPhone, Nokia, Blackberry and the like. You need to know what your requirements are. Do not jump from one imperfect solution to another imperfect solution. Sit back to define your requirement before making your next purchase. Otherwise you will have many many more €650 down the drain.
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Ive had a lot of WM devices too...THis one beats them all. Daughter has iphone. CUte phone, good for talking to others and music. Win Mobile is far from perfect, but its like Eagle says, weigh what you like and dont like, dont shift to another pda without counting the cost and research. Go and research some of the other phones too. Visit the forums, they have their share of problems too. For me the HD doesnt do everything i would like, some i wish improves. But there is no phone that is the perfect phone anywhere. Hope you find what you like. Not easy in the PDA world. Good luck!!

ryaninuk said:
Do you have an Hd now Steve? Also in another thread I asked if Hd will improve the software, now that it is out only devs here will fix it? That's sort of sad. I don't mean anything against the devs here I am sure you guys do a great job.
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My HD has not arrived yet, but I hope it's either today or tomorrow. The ebay seller which claims to be based in Melbourne, is apparently shipping out of Hong Kong.
There is a thread on the device hanging that I'm watching. Hopefullly someone nails the bug. I'm sure there is a bug somewhere.
When I started using my Athena, hanging was a common problem. Now it is gone. Sometimes it is due to defective storage card, sometimes it is wrong formatting parameters being used for the storage card, sometimes it is lack of optimization in the ROM... but eventually it got fixed.

gt112 said:
thanks to everyone who replied, god I really have started something here havn't I.
I know, be patient, its not all bad, etc etc.
But hey, look at the WiFi issue for example.
This doesn't mean I have a defective phone, It means I have a poor product.
Theres a cheap crappy chip built into the phone. That cannot be fixed with a hack or software update or a replacement
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Have you tried changing the setting to have best performance instead of battery life? It might just help to keep the WIFI signal a little more stable.

gt112 said:
it cost me €650
its buggy, hangs sometimes, I keep having to reset
keyboards sometimes dont popup
wifi is very weak (they used a cheap Texas Instrument chip for wifi that under lab tests runs at about 2/3 the performance of the Marvel chip in the iPhone). Again I remind you that I paid €650 for this thing.
ive owned the phone 6 days and already had to do 4 hard resets
cheap crappy speaker
camera lag 3 seconds to take photo
have to use virtal button to take photo
gps lags
cant assign / customise soft buttons (without installing third party cabs)
to do any customization on the dam thing, you have to install 3rd party cabs, ends up with a phone cluttered with all sorts of stuff most of which was not originally written for the HD. Phone gets unstable and starts hanging even more than usual.
touch screen is often unresponsive, the majority of dialogs put the ok button in the top right hand corner where it is least responsive. I often have to tap the buton 5-6 times to get it to respond
have to install everything on storage card as there is very limited storage built in
TouchFlo 3d has lots of bugs (have a read of the forum)
have to use headphones to get radio to work (be nice not to have to, id like to be able to demo the radio and use it in high strength signal areas w/o having to carry headphones around).
radio is noisy with poor reception
cant record radio
browser stops working at the drop of a hat. i.e. you manage to get a wifi connection, you use the web, leave phone for a minute, come back, hit power button, wifi wakes up, browser more often then not will no longer work (cannot find proxy server, no network, dns not available). I have to resolve with another soft reset
browser is a pain to use, it does not zoom intelligently, the amount of time I spend trying to line up after a zoom, then hitting links by mistake or trying to hit links and wondering wtf they do nothing.
the wifi on my unit is poor. i have written to htc and expansys and as of yet (a day and a half later) i have had no reply from either. sickening and worrying!
im in the middle of another hard reset right now after the phone screwed up yet again
doesnt lock properly (when a call comes in)
you have to install .Net 3.5. For god sakes its late 2008, could they not have shipped the rom with it already on there. not only that but you really need to install it onto device storage rather than card storage for performance so it takes up valuable space (of which there is not much to begin with)
battery lasts a day at best with light use. if you use wifi and browse for an hour on the train you can reduce that to 3 or 4 hours. pretty lousy
lousy (and I mean LOUSY) video playback. You need a degree in computing to go and encode videos in specific ways to get them to play reasonably. Even the demo video that comes with the phone plays poorly.
hard to scroll through lists on screen without invoking the items on the list. i.e. scrolling the programs list I always end up running unwanted programs
when you send a text message, the phone does nothing, no "sending message" status, no confirmation that message sent. You have to fix with a tweak. again to fix, you have to install schaps config tool that clearly is not written for the HD. Its brilliant and I am not having a go at all but its anothe rlarge cab u have to install just to do the most basic things. jesus a "sending text" status is the most basic requiremt surely to god!!!
very hard to figure out how to disable 3g (cud be real expensive unless u have ur wits about u)
gps is very slow initially and weaker than on normal gps devices. I have had it unable to detect gps signals when my mate beside was using another device and getting signal - just like the wifi.
not possible to edit/customize TouchFlo 3D. You can't put an shortcut to a program on its home page for eg. You have to scroll along the awkward scroll bar to get to programs.
TF3D completely takes over the Today screen so customizing the Today screen is absolutely pointless unless you remove TF3D from it.
screen protector is crap and difficult to install.
finally for now . . .
it cost me €650
I know a lot of you are gonna hate me after this post. I dont blame you. I am dissing your beloved new toy, the toy that you paid as much as I did for, the toy that you dearly wanna love cos it cost so much. the toy that you dont wanna hear a bad word said about cos it cost so much.
I'm starting to hate this dam thing.
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grandma?
ops, sorry, you sound just like her...

wfhowell said:
Ive had a lot of WM devices too...THis one beats them all. Daughter has iphone. CUte phone, good for talking to others and music. Win Mobile is far from perfect, but its like Eagle says, weigh what you like and dont like, dont shift to another pda without counting the cost and research. Go and research some of the other phones too. Visit the forums, they have their share of problems too. For me the HD doesnt do everything i would like, some i wish improves. But there is no phone that is the perfect phone anywhere. Hope you find what you like. Not easy in the PDA world. Good luck!!
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I never had any illusion thinking that HD is a perfect device. I already made a lot of noise about the small screen size (I wanted a 4.5 inch), lack of D-pad etc. But hey, we do research first, and go in with our eye open and not have false expectation.l